Curse

Omnidragon42 · Jun 21, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Abbess

That is very true. Favor is dwindling quickly. However, this double reputation weekend for GWEN might knock the favor count back up.

I was under the impression that the GWEN rep titles don't count for favor

I'm in favor of adding new items that can be bought with ecto, but I just like shiny new things.

I don't think anything really MUST be done, right now ecto supply far outweighs demand and it's pretty tough to sell to players, people will sell to the trader and the price will level out at about 3.2-3.5k is my guess, then it won't be profitable to farm them anymore and they'll start to climb back up.

The only people hurt by this are those who have millions hoarded in ectos, sorry guys, but let the average joe have his chance at having nice things too.

Proff · Jun 21, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Abbess

That is very true. Favor is dwindling quickly. However, this double reputation weekend for GWEN might knock the favor count back up.

Rep titles don't raise favor.

Abbess · Jun 21, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Proff

Rep titles don't raise favor.

Maxing them does.

Omnidragon42 · Jun 21, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Abbess

Maxing them does.

I demand proof. I've never seen a message for maxing any of them, nor did my own get messages (but that was a long time ago).

Abbess · Jun 21, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I double checked i found that i was misinformed. I apologize for the confusion.

ScoobyDooby Dooo · Jun 21, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

arena-net should just nerf ursan & perma-sin, then reset the ectos at the npc to like 5-7k. but in all due respect they wont because anet is such a failure and dont look after there community. all this build was for so they could force people to go out and buy ( eye of the north ) but instead they have just made the pointless to play.

with this attitude they have towards us that play ther game there is no doubt in my mind that they will f@%k up GW2 also, since the only thing keeping people playing is the titles grind.

t h i n e eyes b l e e d · Jun 21, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

make lock picks cost 1.5k at merchant and sell them back with the 1.5k people would start using lockpicks instead of ectos at high-end-trades. what happens to ectos... I saayyyy...Marcket reset

Sai Rith · Jun 21, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I quit last year, and Ectos were 4.5-4.8k. I came back last month, after being away from Guild Wars for a year, and they are arounda steady 4.5k. A 300g drop in one year is pretty small. I don't think the Ecto market isn't going to downhill in a long time.

Omnidragon42 · Jun 21, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Sai Rith

I quit last year, and Ectos were 4.5-4.8k. I came back last month, after being away from Guild Wars for a year, and they are arounda steady 4.5k. A 300g drop in one year is pretty small. I don't think the Ecto market isn't going to downhill in a long time.

300g drop in one year is pretty small, but a 1000g drop in 2 weeks is pretty big, which is what we've been seeing. These days, ecto prices fluctuate by as much as 500g over a 24 hour cycle.

Ectos are unstable right now. Invest in lockpicks or Zkeys.

Kanyatta · Jun 21, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

@OP: Nerfing Shadow Form is probably what Anet is going to do, although I would prefer if it was just reverted, personally. Making [glyph of swiftness] Ele spells only would be good, as someone pointed out. I personally still think Ursan is in more need of a debuffing.

The best solution for the Ecto market would probably be to give them a use outside of FoW armor (which, IMO doesn't really look that great, especially compared to a few 15k armors).

@Others:

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Originally Posted by itsvictor

Ecto prices are steady

I don't know about anyone else, but I lol'd.

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Originally Posted by itsvictor

there hasn't been a Black Tuesday yet so the ecto market is fine. Sell to the trader IMO...

"Yet" being the key word. It was very close to happening when the trader price went down to 3.8k for a few hours.

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Originally Posted by Sai Rith

I quit last year, and Ectos were 4.5-4.8k.

It obviously wasn't "last year" then. This time in 2007, ecto was almost 6k if I remember correctly.

chris1234565 · Jun 21, 2008, 10:54 PM // 22:54

your just saying this coz your not part of it

ectos are still 4k each and i belive if you made 10-50k per run doin it you wouldnt be complaining

and other people anoyied about this why are most of you botherd since many ppl dont use ectos in there daily use

romeus petrus · Jun 21, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Option 5: add more blackness that are stationary (ie not patrolling) at the entrance of the serpent mountains and the chaos plains. Make the Obsidian Behemoth block the path to the chaos plains in multiple choke points in every spawn with a group of blacknesses behind them. No nerf needed, no new skills introduced, solo A/E chaos plains much, much harder.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 21, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Jesus christ, get over the ecto drop.

Who's fault is it that so many of you stockpiled it and created an artificial inflation?

And now, suddenly when they begin to lose value, all of you are crying. You made that investment thinking that your precious ecto market would never drop below a certain price. And now you pay for your arrogance.

It's summer time, and shadowform got unnerfed. Meaning there are now a BUNCH of people who aren't in school right now spending their days farming the bejesus out of it.

Had shadowform been unnerfed in August, this drop would have been more gradual due to time constraints on many people.

Regardless, many of you treated ecto like a solid currency. You're all stupid for that. Could've at least invested in an item that doesn't have a FLUCTUATING PRICE AT THE TRADER (*cough zkeys*).

So don't go crying for nerfs just to raise your ecto stock value. That's bullshit. This game is already nerfed to hell and you're asking for more? Give it a fscking break and stop QQ'ing.

Edit: By the way, you all should've sold your stocks when you had the chance. Once I saw the price go between 4.8k and 5.5k at the trader multiple times in just ONE day, I sold ALL of my ecto for the same price I bought it at before the bottom fell out.

Maybe next time you'll all stop being greedy RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs and actually jump ship before the whole damn thing is underwater.

Sai Rith · Jun 21, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Whatever the case is, Ecto price drop=easier FoW

Dark Paladin X · Jun 21, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

@OP: Nerfing Shadow Form is probably what Anet is going to do, although I would prefer if it was just reverted, personally. Making [glyph of swiftness] Ele spells only would be good, as someone pointed out. I personally still think Ursan is in more need of a debuffing.

You know nerfing Shadow Form just kill the ecto market as well as the green weapons market and elite tomes market.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 21, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by The Pious Priest

1.Permanently nerf Shadow Form: The only instance I believe this should be done is if bots are exploiting the system (in which case I would like to know how they are able to get past the obsidian beheamoths and blackness)

This seems to be getting discussed, so this may actually happen. I care not if it does or doesn't, as I don't invest in ecto.

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2. make a new addition or change a skill to creatures in the Underworld: this could be done in a way similar to what the dying nightmare is to the 55 monk.Although it would not nerf shadow form per se, it may require a partner like the SS is to the 55 monk, therefore slowing the rate of supply in which ecto is sold making it more suitable to demand.

This is probably the best idea that can be done. I know UW and FoW are core areas, but might I ask why Anet cannot add a few Assassin, Ritualist, Paragon, and Dervish monsters? Adding a few assassin monsters with [Expunge Enchantment] would solve the Shadow Form farming problem, and if they are a low level but in groups of other enemies, it won't kill groups, but will kill farmers.

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3. reduce the current drop rates of ecto: I think this speaks for itself.

I don't agree, due to the amounts of QQ that will come of this just like the Loot Scaling. Would work though.

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4.Introduce new armor, weapons and benefits for ectoplasm: this would be IMO best for the guild wars economy because if Guild Wars had some measure of GDP (money value of all final goods and services sold, in this case value of new weapon, armor etc.) it would show an increase in economic stimulus in higher levels.

Turn the Eternal and Chaos weapons into craftable. How to get:

A new NPC has been added to the Hall of Grenth that gives 3 quests (as a quest chain). Once all 3 have been done, a second NPC will show up and will craft a Chaos Axe, Eternal Sword, Eternal Shield, Eternal Bow, Storm Bow, *new* Eternal Hammer, *new* Eternal Staff, Eternal Scythe, and Eternal Spear Celestial Focus, and *new* Eternal Wand for 10k, 15 Globs of Ectoplasm, and 150 Dust each. These weapons can be added into the HoM *only if they are crafted*. These weapons' drop rates decrease by half.

Thats my idea for a new ecto sink. (and money sink)

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

Regardless, many of you treated ecto like a solid currency. You're all stupid for that. Could've at least invested in an item that doesn't have a FLUCTUATING PRICE AT THE TRADER (*cough zkeys*).

I know what you mean. People shouldn't invest money in anything that fluctuates in price. Zkeys included. Lockpicks might work, but you lose at least 250g for each pick you buy to invest in. Anything that is sold to the MERCHANT is what should be invested in, if you don't invest in money that is.

For those who have sooo much money that they can't keep it all on mules and in storage, go buy armors, weapons, USE IT, donate to the not so rich in the game, don't invest in it so you can get more money, you'll just lose it and it won't benefit ANYONE. Being greedy (and stupid) only hurts yourself, being nice to others helps others, even if it hurts you, but it wouldn't matter that much.

Eh, sorry about my rant on rich greedy folks in GW...

zling · Jun 22, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Shadowform is pretty ridiculous right now, you can farm almost anything with it very very easily.
even old 55ing with protective bond had plenty of unfarmable areas, shadowform has almost none :\

as for ectos, the whole point of them being a "currency" is because their prices flucuate. if it wasnt so there was no point in buying/selling them, just pure farming. that's the reason why neither lockpicks nor z-keys are replacing ectos as "currency" and which is why the best alternative to ecto would be white and black dyes. dye prices also flucuate but their drops are random so there isnt a specific build/area that gets you easy white or black dyes, so you cant really just farm them.

Steps_Descending · Jun 22, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Once Shadow Form is nerfed, people will just move to the Obs Flesh ele that does the same thing to mindblades. The nerf may still be warranted, but it's not going to save ecto prices, which is all most of the complainers care about.

Probably true. Ironically, I think most people here would be happier with this.
I am getting a feeling that ecto prize is more the consequence of the source, rather than the source of the hatred itself.

Or perhaps people simply want ecto to be created at a slower rate than that wich Shadow form allow. (Does that sentence make sense?)

Either way reverting PvE shadowform or the proposed Glyph nerf sound promising to me.

Red Sand · Jun 22, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

...get over the ecto drop.

Who's fault is it that so many of you stockpiled it and created an artificial inflation?

You made that investment thinking that your precious ecto market would never drop below a certain price.

Regardless, many of you treated ecto like a solid currency... Could've at least invested in an item that doesn't have a FLUCTUATING PRICE AT THE TRADER.

So don't go crying for nerfs just to raise your ecto stock value.

Edited for content, quoted for truth.

Right now, you're like people who lost money in real estate demanding the government force the bank to give you a better rate on a house you can't afford. You should have known that the investment was too good to be true.

And unlike real estate, there really is unlimited supply of ectos out there.

Good luck with that.

aapo · Jun 22, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by The Pious Priest

1.Permanently nerf Shadow Form: The only instance I believe this should be done is if bots are exploiting the system (in which case I would like to know how they are able to get past the obsidian beheamoths and blackness)

- I agree, it should be buffed to cost 5 energy. Sometimes the player might run out of energy in the middle of killing combination and can't get it up fast enough. But there should also be randomly generated picture recognition test every time player enters UW.

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Originally Posted by The Pious Priest

2. make a new addition or change a skill to creatures in the Underworld: this could be done in a way similar to what the dying nightmare is to the 55 monk.Although it would not nerf shadow form per se, it may require a partner like the SS is to the 55 monk, therefore slowing the rate of supply in which ecto is sold making it more suitable to demand.

- This doesn't solve anything.

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Originally Posted by The Pious Priest

3. reduce the current drop rates of ecto: I think this speaks for itself

- So that everyone and their brother will farm with nothing but Shadow Form assassin because ectos are so shit-slow to get to begin with?

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Originally Posted by The Pious Priest

4.Introduce new armor, weapons and benefits for ectoplasm

- Oh yes. Free game content, SIGN'D!!!1!1!1

By the way, did you already realize game economy is nothing like real world economy? Things in real world decay. Your cellphone starts to get errors after five years, so you buy a new one. Your new Windows is not compatible with old games. Open milk stays good only for a few days after opening. When you get that new armor it stays with you until you stop playing or delete it (i.e. no longer want it). Why do you think demand for old items should stay the same after years? Go out there and try to sell your games for the price you bought them.